NH OUTLOOK FRIDAY EDITION, Friday, 1/23/2004
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Hello. I'm Richard Ager. Welcome to this Friday Edition of New Hampshire Outlook.
This week.
The countdown is on. The candidates arrived from the Iowa caucuses. The last debate before the Primary was on Thursday. The vote is next Tuesday. And the polls are coming in.
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We'll talk about all that in a minute - but first - let's introduce this week's guests.
Joining us this week Edith Tucker of the Coos County Democrat, Colin Manning of Foster's Daily Democrat and James Pindell of Politics-N-H-dot-com.
Thank you all for joining us.
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Much of the talk this week has been about the Dean campaign and how it is trying to halt its loss of support. Perhaps the biggest damage from Iowa came not from placing third - but from the candidate's speech after the numbers came in. Let's get a reminder of how Dean presented himself on Monday night in Iowa - and then how he defended that appearance during Thursday night's debate.
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GOV. HOWARD DEAN - "IF YOU HAD TOLD US ONE YEAR AGO THAT WE WERE GOING TO COME IN THIRD IN IOWA WE WOULD HAVE GIVEN ANYTHING FOR.
THAT YOU KNOW SOMETHING?
YOU KNOW SOMETHING, NOT ONLY ARE WE GOING TO NEW HAMPSHIRE, TOM HARKIN WE'RE GOING TO SOUTH CAROLINA, AND OKLAHOMA AND ARIZONA AND NORTH DAKOTA AND NEW MEXICO AND WE'RE GOING TO CALIFORNIA AND TEXAS AND NEW YORK AND WE'RE GOING TO SOUTH DAKOTA AND OREGON AND WASHINGTON AND MICHIGAN AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO WASHINGTON, D.C. TO TAKE BACK THE WHITE HOUSE YAA!"
REV. AL SHARPTON - "I WANTED TO SAY TO GOVERNOR DEAN DON'T BE HARD ON YOURSELF FOR HOOTING AND HOLLERING.
IF I SPENT THE MONEY YOU DID AND GET 18% I WOULD STILL BE HOLLERING IN IOWA."
GOV. HOWARD DEAN - "I'M NOT A PERFECT PERSON.
I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE HAD A LOT OF FUN AT MY EXPENSE OVER THE IOWA HOOTING AND HOLLERING.
THAT'S JUSTIFIED.
THE ONE THING CAN I TELL YOU IS I'M NOT KIDDING ABOUT WHAT I SAY.
THE THINGS I DO OR BELIEVE IN I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES BE WILLING TO STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT INSTEAD OF WHAT IS POPULAR."
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Richard: JAMES, WHAT WAS HE THINKING?
WHAT ABOUT INDIANA AND KENTUCKY AND ALABAMA?
IT WAS CLEARLY THE WORST SCREECH SINCE SAVED BY THE BELL, YOU KNOW THAT SHOW.
YOU KNOW, HOWARD DEAN IS SAY GUY EVERYONE HAS BEEN LOOKING AT.
YOU KNOW, HE CAME INTO THIS WEEK, THE FRONT RUNNER, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY HE WAS GOING DOWN IN SOME POLLS BUT EVERYONE EXPECTED HIM TO WIN IOWA, COME HERE, DO PRETTY WELL ON HIS WAY.
NOW HE IS A GUY WITH ALL THE QUESTION MARKS AND PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY.
Richard: OUR POLLSTER, ANDY SMITH, SAID THIS IS A QUOTE "MY SENSE IS THIS WILL GO DOWN WITH EDMUND MUSKIE SUPPOSEDLY CRYING IN FRONT OF THE UNION LEADER AND BOB DOLE TELLING PEOPLE TO 'STOP LYING ABOUT MY RECORD'."
WHAT IS THE SENSE YOU ARE GETTING FROM VOTERS WHO ARE TRYING TO MAKE UP THEIR MIND?
I THINK THE DEAN PEOPLE ARE HOPEFUL UP NORTH THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO PICK UP THE GEPHART VOTERS SINCE GEPHART DROPPED OUT AND THE UNIONS AND SO FORTH.
BUT IT'S A HARD PUSH.
THEY ARE BRINGING IN.
A LOT OF STUDENTS ARE COMING.
IN A SAW A COUPLE OF VANS FROM ST. MICHAEL'S COLLEGE COMING OVER WITH VERMONT PLATES TO WORK.
IT'S HARD TO OVERCOME THAT.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION MORE ON THE MUSKIE THING.
LAST NIGHT AFTER THE DEBATE HE AND HIS WIFE DID A INTERVIEW WITH DIANE SAWYER AND IT WAS TOTALLY OBVIOUS AND RELEVANT TO BRING UP HOW THIS IS SIMILAR TO BILL CLINTON'S "60 MINUTES"
INTERVIEW.
IT COULD BE A "60 MINUTES" MOMENT.
IT DEPENDS ON THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
HOWARD DEAN TAKING A LOT OF CRITICISM FROM THE MEDIA AND I DON'T FEEL IT'S QUITE JUSTIFIED.
HE IS REALLY CAUGHT UP IN THE MOMENT AND REALLY ENERGIZED.
IT WAS A SHOCK FOR HIM TO LOSE.
HE IS TAKING A HARD KNOCK NOT FOR NOTHING.
THIS ISN'T DUKAKIS ON THE TANK.
THIS IS A DIFFERENT MOMENT.
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Richard: WE'LL SEE ABOUT THE RESULTS FROM IOWA AND CAMPAIGNING BEING DONE THIS WEEK ARE INFLUENCING THE RACE.
LET'S LOOK AT NUMBERS FROM THE NEW U.N.H. SURVEY POLL.
WE HAVE KERRY AT 30%.
UP FROM 24% CLARK ROUGHLY THE SAME AS IS EDWARDS, LIEBERMAN, JUST UP A COUPLE OF POINTS.
AND WHAT KIND OF TRENDS DO YOU SEE EMERGING HERE, JAMES.
IT LOOKS AT LEAST FROM THAT POLL LIKE IT'S A BEING DROP FOR DEAN.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATES THAT ARE INVOLVED, STEMS ALMOST DIRECTLY FROM APPEARANCE ON MONDAY NIGHT?
TWO THINGS TO LEARN.
FIRST, IS WE SEE HOW FLUID THIS RACE IS.
PEOPLE ARE GOING UP AND DOWN ALL THE TIME.
THE NEXT FOUR DAYS LEADING UP TO THE NEW HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY, ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN.
WE'RE SEEING A COUPLE OF TRENDS.
COUPLE INTERESTING ONES.
KERRY IS MOVING UP TO BECOME A FRONT RUNNER STATUS TODAY.
THE "BOSTON GLOBE" I BELIEVE HAD HIM AT 15% ABOVE EVERYTHING WE'RE.
WE'RE SEEING DEAN STILL GOING DOWN BUT I BELIEVE BEGINNING TO LEVEL OFF.
WE'RE SEEING IN POLLS CLARK IS TAKING DEAN FOR SECOND PLACE AND THAT IN OTHER SITUATIONS, ESPECIALLY THAT EDWARDS CONSISTENTLY IN A NUMBER OF POLLS THIS WEEK HAS TAKEN LIEBERMAN.
WE HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE ON THE MOVE.
A COUPLE PEOPLE ON THE DROP.
THIS THING IS SO FLUID.
Richard: GIVEN THAT FLUIDITY IT'S A BIG CAUTIONARY NOTE, ISN'T IT, AS TO HOE SERIOUSLY YOU SHOULD TAKE THE POLLS.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T DECIDE UNTIL THEY GET INTO THE VOTING BOOTH.
Richard: THE PEOPLE WHO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES WITH THE POLLS IS 7 7%.
I THINK IT'S MUCH MORE THAN THAT.
TURNOUT WILL BE A HUGE FACTOR.
ALREADY THEY ARE PREDICTING YET AGAIN COLD AND SNOW FOR THE STATE AND THAT WILL HOLD DOWN FROM VOTERS.
OF COURSE.
EVEN THOUGH, THIS IS A STATE THAT USED TO SNOW IN BAD WEATHER, YOU ARE SAYING YOU THINK -- I DON'T THINK BILL GARDNER HAS PUT OUT.
DICK: 186,000 FOR DEMOCRATS.
IS THAT A NEAR RECORD?
YES.
Richard: OKAY.
WELL, WHAT ABOUT EDWARDS?
HE WAS CLEARLY A BIG STORY COMING OUT OF IOWA.
HE DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE TOO MUCH MOVEMENT HERE.
WHAT IS YOUR SENSE OF THAT CAMPAIGN?
WELL, THE TRADITION REMAINS WHAT HAPPENS IN IOWA DOESN'T REFLECT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN NEW HAMPSHIRE THERE.
WAS SO MANY UNDECIDEDS HERE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE.
HOWARD DEAN WAS SO FAR AHEAD BECAUSE YOU EITHER LOVE HIM OR YOU DON'T.
NOW OTHERS ARE STARTING TO MAKE UP DECISION MINDS AND DECISIONS.
WE'RE SEEING HIS NUMBERS DROP A LITTLE BIT.
EDWARDS CAN DO WELL IN IOWA BUT YOU HAVE TO PUT OUT HERE.
HE IS MAKING AN EFFORT BUT WITH WESLEY CLARK IN THE RACE HERE AND LIEBERMAN KIND OF EATING INTO HIS NUMBERS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT.
BUT EDWARDS HAS A LITTLE BIT OF SURGING WHICH WE DIDN'T SEE LAST WEEK.
WHICH WE DIDN'T SEE EARLIER IN THE WEEK.
I WAS AT A COUPLE OF EVENTS WITH HIM.
ONE EVENT HAD 560 PEOPLE.
YOU COULDN'T GET IN THE ROOM.
HE HAS SOME ENERGY AROUND HIM.
EDWARDS IS COMPETING AGAINST AGAINST WESLEY CLARK AND CLARK IS COMPETING AGAINST EDWARDS.
BOTH OF THEM HAVE TO WIN SOUTH CAROLINA.
TO DO THAT WE HAVE TO ONE UP EACH OTHER IN NEW HAMPSHIRE.
WESLEY CLARK IS WINNING THAT ARGUMENT.
WESLEY CLARK HAVING SKIPPED IOWA AND LOOKED GOOD FOR A TIME THERE.
HE WAS POSITIONING HIMSELF TO BE THE ANTI-DEAN BUT THAT THERE NO LONGER SEEMS TO BE AN ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT FOR AN ANTI-DEAN HIS STOCK HAS FALLEN SOME WHAT.
HIS BIG ARGUMENT IS I'M THE ELECTABLE CANDIDATE.
WITH JOHN KERRY'S SUCCESS IN IOWA IT'S REALLY HURTING THIS ARGUMENT THAT HE IS THE ONLY ELECTABLE CANDIDATE.
JOHN KERRY BEING A NEIGHBOR THIS IS REALLY HURTING WESLEY CLARK.
Richard: JOE LIEBERMAN MADE A PRETTY GOOD IMPRESSION FROM THE DEBATE ON THURSDAY NIGHT BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE HIS NUMBERS ARE MOVING TOO MUCH.
ANY EXPECTATION, DO YOU THINK, THAT THIS MIGHT BE -- IF YOU DOESN'T IMPROVE THIS MIGHT BE IT?
YEAH, IT'S OVER.
I THINK HE HAS COME ACROSS AS SO GRANDFATHERLY.
IT'S BEEN INTERESTING TO TALK WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE UNDER 40 AND THAT'S HOW THEY SEE HIM.
THEY LIKE HIM THEY THINK HE IS PERSONAL.
THEY LIKE THE FACT HE IS POSITIVE BUT HE SEEMS AS THOUGH HE HAS HAD HIS DAY TO YOUNGER VOTERS.
THAT'S OF COURSE A BIG PROBLEM.
YEAH, HE IS THE NICEST GUY OF ALL THE CANDIDATES BUT HIS NUMBERS ARE DROPPING AND LOOK AT HIS EVENT.
HE HAS GIVEN UP.
HIS EVENTS ARE PLACE WHERE'S PEOPLE CAN'T BELIEVE.
AT SCHOOLS.
AND THEY ARE BUSINESSES.
THEY ARE NOT BIG TOWN HALL MEETINGS.
IFILL: JIVES -- JAMES HIT IT PERFECTLY NICE GUY BUT -- THAT'S THE TAG ON LIEBERMAN.
Richard: HE HASN'T BEEN BRINGING IN A LOT OF CELEBRITY GUESTS, HAS HE?
THE TRIVIAL SORT OF CATEGORY BUT THIS WEEKEND WE HAVE WESLEY CLARK BRINGING IN TED DANSON AND MARY STEIN BERGEN.
HOWARD DEAN IS BRINGING IN ROB REINER AND KERRY CAMPAIGN IS TAKING A TWO GENERATION APPROACH.
THEY HAVE CAROL KING FOR AGING BOOMERS AND KELLY SCOTT, I CONFESS I DON'T KNOW FROM MTV'S THE REAL WORLD.
FOR FREE HUNGER VOTERS.
HOW IMPORTANT -- I SHOULD SAY ALSO THE REPUBLICANS ARE BRINGING IN RUDY GIULIANI.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN A HUGE ROLE FOR ENDORSEMENTS IN THIS CAMPAIGN OR NOT A SUCCESSFUL ONE SO FAR.
WHAT ABOUT THE KIND OF CULTURAL APPEAL.
BRINGING IN NOT SO MANY POLITICAL FIGURES AND CULTURAL FIGURES.
THEY BRING IN AUDIENCES TO HEAR YOUR MESSAGE.
LAST SATURDAY WESLEY CLARK HAD A BIG EVENT WITH MICHAEL MOORE AND EYE FEW OTHER BEAKS HE HAD 1800 PEOPLE.
THE SINGLE LARGEST EVENT.
HE CAN BRING IN THE CELEBRITY FOLKS.
JOHN KERRY IS IN A BIG EVENT SATURDAY WITH RETIRED BRUINS PLAYERS THEY'LL PLAY HOCKEY MANY MANCHESTER.
THESE ARE THE EVENTS THAT HELP LEAD THE NEWS CYCLE.
EVERYONE IS CAMPAIGNING HERE EVERY DAY.
HOW DO YOU BE THE TOP STORY.
GUESS WHAT?
WHAT WHO IS?
TOWN?
I KNOW PEOPLE NOT INVOLVED IN THE POLITICAL PROCESS BUT ARE GOING TO SEE CAM NEELY AND RAY BOURQUE.
WHAT A PERFECT MOVE.
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Richard: THIS WEEK WE HAD THE STATE OF UNION ADDRESS BY PRESIDENT BUSH.
THE DAY ACTUALLY THE IOWA CAUCUSES.
INTERESTING TIMING.
HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK OF THIS WAS ACTUALLY KIND OF AN ACCOUNTING OF THE HEALTH OF THE COUNTRY AND HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK WAS LOOKING AHEAD TO THE FALL ELECTION?
I THINK IT WAS LOOKING AHEAD TO THE FALL ELECTION.
AND HE HAS BEEN TAKE A LOT OF HITS FROM THE VARIOUS DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES.
IT DOESN'T SEEM UNREASONABLE TO ME THAT HE WOULD CHOOSE THIS MOMENT.
I WAS INTERESTED THAT BRADY WAS THERE FROM THE PATRIOTS.
I THOUGHT AS I DROVE DOWN TODAY THAT --.
HE HAD TO SHAVE FOR THAT, TOO.
BRADY --.
I HOPE THAT DOESN'T BRING BAD LUCK TO THE SUPERBOWL.
BRADY DOES WELL UNDER PRESSURE AND I CONTRASTED HIM OF COURSE WITH HIS PREDECESSOR, DREW BLEDSOE.
AT LEAST HE DIDN'T FALL ASLEEP AS HE DID BEFORE THE SUPERBOWL.
MAYBE BUT DEAN WAS THE BLEDSOE OF THIS CANDIDACY AND KERRY TURNS OUT TO BE THE BRADY.
THE FOOTBALL ANIMAL GIS MAY BE THERE.
I EVEN HEARD FROM REPUBLICANS AROUND THE STATEHOUSE SAYING THIS WAS A POLITICAL SPEECH.
HE DID GO BACK TO THE PRESIDENCY AND THE STATE OF THE UNION AS IT RELATED TO HIM.
WHAT HE HAS DONE HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
IN A NOT SO VAILED IF YOU ELECT SOMEONE ELSE WE'RE NOT GOING DOWN THE RIGHT PATH KIND OF THING.
IT WAS DEBT KNITLY A POLITICAL SPEECH.
TIMING HAPPENED TO BE PERFECT WITH NEW HAMPSHIRE BUMPING UP ITS PRIMARY AND HE COULDN'T ASK FOR A BETTER TIME.
CERTAINLY A LOT OF PROMINENT SITTING ON HANDS BY THE DEMOCRATS DURING THE SPEECH.
IT WAS CLEARLY THE CLOSE UP SHOTS WE GOT OF TEDDY KENNEDY TOLD VOLUMES, I THOUGHT.
ALSO, HE -- JUST A BIT OF A LOOK AHEAD HE WILL BE BACK IN THE STATE NEXT WEEK COINCIDENTALLY OR NOT ON THE SAME DAY AS OUR STATE OF THE STATE, JAMES?
HE IS COMING BACK AND TWO DAYS AFTER THE PRIMARY.
HE WON'T BE COMPETING HERE.
ALSO INTERESTING THAT NEW HAMPSHIRE IS SUCH A BIG STATE FOR BOTH PARTIES IN THIS GENERAL ELECTION.
THERE ARE JUST A HANDFUL OF STATES WHERE THE MARGIN OF VICTORY WAS SO CLOSE.
AND THERE'S SUCH A SPLIT NATION THAT BOTH PARTIES ARE GOING AFTER THESE -- YOU KNOW, FEW FATE STATES.
BUSH ONLY ONE HERE BY 7208 VOTE.
THIS IS A TARGETED STATE.
HE WILL BE UP HERE AND BE EXCITING TO WATCH WHAT HAPPENS.
BUT HE WILL BE SHARING THE NEWS CYCLE.
Richard: HAVE YOU HEARD ANY RUMBLES YET AS TO WHETHER THERE'S ANY PROMINENT THIRD PARTY CANDIDATES WHO COULD DIVERT VOTES IN THE GENERAL ELECTION AS NADER DID LAST TIME?
NADER SOUNDS LIKE HE IS RUNNING.
I DON'T NECESSITY WHAT IS GOING TO PREVENT HIM FOR RUNNING.
NOT FOR THE GREEN PARTY THIS TIME BUT STILL.
HE IS VERY MUCH INTERESTED.
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Richard: LET'S MOVE ON TO STATE NEWS BECAUSE THIS WEEK IN SPITE OF PRYARY WAS ONE OF WEEK THE MOST CONTENTIOUS BILLS TO COME WAS WAS PROPOSED AND DEBATED.
THAT IS CACR2 A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT AIMED AT SEVERELY LIMITING THE SUPREME COURT'S POWER TO RULE ON THE STATE'S EDUCATION FUNDING POLICY.
IF APPROVED BY THE HOUSE AND SENATE, IT WOULD GO ON TO THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER AND ESSENTIALLY IT WAS INCONTINUEDED -- INTENDED TO PUT AN END TO THE CLAREMONT EDUCATION LAW.
LET'S LISTEN TO THE DEBATE FROM THE HOUSE FLOOR ON THURSDAY.
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Rep. Mark Carter - " IN THE FINAL AND ANALYSIS, HOWEVER WELL MEANING, THOSE WHO ARE VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO CACR2 CANNOT ESCAPE THE REASON FOR THEIR OPPOSITION.
THEY DO NOT TRUST THE PEOPLE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR MEANS TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE CHILDREN OF NEW HAMPSHIRE."
Rep. Paul McEachern "IF THIS LEGISLATURE HAD FUNDED AUGENBLICK, THE COURT PROCEEDINGS OF THE LAST DECADE OR SO WOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN PLACE.
BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE MET OUR RESPONSIBILITIES AS A FREE SOCIETY TO PROVIDE FOR THE EDUCATION OF THE NEXT GENERATION."
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Richard: THAT'S VETERAN DEMOCRAT PAUL McHE CAN EARN WARNING ABOUT THE PAST FAILURES OF THE -- THIS MEASURE NEEDED A 60% VOTE TO PASS.
IT GOT ONLY A MAJORITY OF THOSE PRESENT IN THE CHAMBER.
WHY DOES IT FAIL, COLIN?
IT WAS ENDORSED AND PUSH AND PROMOTED BY BOTH THE GOVERNOR AND REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP.
SIMILAR MEASURES FAILED IN THE PAST.
THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME THIS ACTUALLY GOT A MAJORITY.
I GET THE SENSE THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GO THIS FAR.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT PASSED ANYWAYS IN THE LEGISLATURE.
SOME FELT THAT MAYBE WE ARE STEPPING ON THE TOES OF THE COURT A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH.
I GOT THE SENSE THAT SOME REPUBLICANS DIDN'T LIKE BEING BULLIED BY THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OR BY LEADERSHIP.
THIS THING LOST BY A 50 VOTE MARGIN WHICH IS VERY BIG IN THE NEW HAMPSHIRE HOUSE.
DO YOU GET THAT SAME SENSE THAT THEY MAY VOTE IN THEIR LEADERSHIP TEAM BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE TAKING MARCHING ORDERS.
I DID TALK WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE ON SCHOOL BOARDS AND YOU KNOW THERE'S A GENERAL DISGUST AT HOW THE STATE AND LEGISLATURE WOULD LIKE A DRK THIS WOULDN'T SOLVE ANYTHING AND THAT THE LEGISLATURE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE UP TO THE JOB.
THIS IS SO OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE A CAMPAIGN RE-ELECTION ISSUE.
IT'S RIDICULOUS.
I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT.
IT WAS INTENDED BY THE GOVERNOR AND LEADERSHIP FOR IT TO BE ON THE BALLOT BUT I'M SURE THAT WE WILL HEAR ABOUT IT OR ABOUT THE ABSENCE OF IT BEING ON THE BALLOT AS WELL.
IT'S SUCH A POLITICAL MOVE ESPECIALLY FOR THE GOVERNOR.
IT WAS A CAMPAIGN PROMISE.
HE WANTED TO SOLVE EDUCATION FUNDING.
HE CAN TELL YOU I TRIED BUT THE LEGISLATURE WOULDN'T LET ME DO IT.
SO IT'S A GOOD POLITICAL MOVE FOR HIM BUT YOU HAVE TO WONDER ABOUT HOUSE LEADERSHIP AND I HOPE I'M NOT BURNING BRIDGES HERE BUT THEY COULDN'T OVERRIDE THE VETO.
THIS WAS A HUGE LOSS.
WHAT IS NEXT?
ARE THEY GOING TO VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS?
THAT BRINGS ABOUT THE QUESTION OF HOW MUCH IS LEADERSHIP LEADING THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW?
WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTIONS THERE.
IT COULD GET FOR A MESSER SESSION.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY CONTROL IS SHRIPG OUT OF THEIR FINGERS BUT THEY MAY WANT TO PULL THE REIGNS BACK HARDER.
I'M INTERESTED THAT GOVERNOR BENSON WOULD TAKE THIS ON AS A CAMPAIGN MEASURE.
HE JUST INSULTED THE PEOPLE OF THE NORTH COUNTRY BUT ACCEPTING AN INVITATION TO THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE DINNER.
THEY HAD A SELLOUT CROWD AND A DAY AND A HALF AHEAD OF TIME HE HAD ONE OF HIS AIDS CALL THE CHAMBER AND SAY HE WASN'T COMING.
DID NOT GIVE A REASON.
THEY HAD TO SCRAMBLE AROUND FOR SOMEONE ELSE.
PEOPLE INTERPRETED THAT AS WRITING OFF THE NORTH COUNTRY IN A STRANGE WAY.
PEOPLE ARE QUITE SENSITIVE TO SUDDEN CANCELLATIONS FOR NO GIVEN REASON.
THE GOVERNOR IS CAMPAIGNING IN SOME WAYS BUT IN OTHER WAYS HE ISN'T.
THE GOVERNOR HAS BEEN -- THIS IS MY OBSERVATION BUT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID HE HAS BEEN CAMPAIGNING SINCE HIS INAUGURATION DAY.
THEY POINT TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL LIMITS AND ATTACKING TAXPAYERS RIGHTS.
ALL LOST HIS ACTIONS ARE SEEN AS CAMPAIGN MOVES THE WHOLE TIME.
AS FAR AS WHAT HAPPENED IN THE NORTH COUNTRY I'M NOT SURE BUT THAT IS INTERESTING MP THE TAXPAYER BILL OF RIGHTS HAD A HEARING THIS WEAK WEEK.
HE MADE CLEAR ACTUALLY IN NEWS CONFERENCES THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE THE ISSUE THAT HE WANTED TO HAVE ON THE BALLOT.
ACTUALLY THERE WAS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS, CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS THAT HE WANTED TO PUT ON THE BALLOT AND I KNOW THAT REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP HAS OBJECTED TO HAVING MORE THAN ONE OR EVEN TWO.
IT BECOMES TOO CONFUSING FOR THE VOTERS.
RIGHT.
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THIS TAXPAYERS BILL OF RIGHTS HAD A HEARING THIS WEEK AS YOU SAID AND THE INTERESTING THING YOU SAID IS THE POUR POIRIERS ARE BRINGING IN A CHANGE TO THE LANGUAGE.
THAT SINKS IT IMMEDIATELY.
WELL FOR HOUSE MEMBERS THAT'S A DOUBLE CHAY -- WHAMMY.
THEY ARE SETTING THE COUNTRY BUG.
THEY ARE TAKE IT OUT OF THEIR HANDS TWICE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE LAUGHING THIS WEEK SAYING THIS HAS LESS OF A CHANCE NOW.
THESE ARE TWO PLATFORMS THE GOVERNOR WAS GOING TO STAND ON THAT CRUMBLED UNDERNEATH HIS FEET.
NOT ONLY IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THEIR GIVING A DOUBLE HIT.
IF YOU CAP THE STATE BUDGET THEN THE COST SHIFTING GOES TO THE COUNTY.
THAT'S WHY THEY BROUGHT IN THE CHANGE.
IF YOU CAP STATE SPENDING WE DON'T WANT A DOWNSHIFT.
THE CITIES AND TOWNS ARE NOT TOO HAPPY.
THIS IS A STATE OF LOCAL CONTROL.
IT WAS INTERESTING I TALKED TO MAJORITY WHIP JOHNSON AFTER THE VOTE AND I ASKED IF IT WAS REALLY A SET OF CONFLICTING FEARS GOING ON HERE BECAUSE A LOT OF LEGISLATE TOURS ARE ALSO MEMBERS OF LOCAL AND MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS.
THEY CAN SEE FIRSTHAND HOW A REFUSAL PART OF THE PART OF STATE GOVERNMENT TO UNITED STATES OBLIGATIONS OR TO FIND WAYS OF SIR CIRCUMVENTING THE OBLIGATIONS WOULD THEN LEAD TO LIKE YOU WERE SAYING THE DOWN SHIFT.
NO MATTER WHAT THE MESSAGE MIGHT BE THEY CAN SEE I THINK IN PAST PERFORMANCE BY THE LEGISLATURE THAT THE COSTS ARE GOING TO RISE AND THEY'LL END UP ON THEIR DESK.
RIGHT AND WITH CACR2 THERE WENT ONE MEMBER IN THE STATE IN FAVOR OF IT.
LEGISLATE TOURS THAT THIS IN THEIR MIND.
IF GOES TO THE HOUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE IN THE SENATE.
DIRECTS ARE BIGGER A LOT OF DIFFERENT DIVERSITY IN THOSE TOWNS.
THIS THING WAS ALMOST DEAD FROM THE QUINNING.
THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION CAME UP ALMOST UNANIMOUSLY WITH ONE ABSTENTION AS WELL.
IT WAS THE CHAIRMAN.
HE HAD AFTER ALL BEEN APPOINTED BY THE GOVERNOR.
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ALSO IN STATE NEWS THIS WEEK WE HAVE THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES CONFIRMING THAT THERE'S BEEN A 16 EMPLOYEES LAID OFF.
THE COMMISSIONER MIKE NOLAN AT A HEARING SAID THAT THE LAYOFFS WOULD NOT EFFECT SERVICES AT ALL BUT THERE WAS PRETTY IN-DEPTH PIECE IN THE CONCORD MONITOR THIS WEEK DETAILING THE POSITIONS.
THE DIRECTOR OF VOLUNTEER SERVICES FOR THE 500 VOLUNTEERS AROUND THE STATE WHO MONITOR THE HEALTH OF STATE'S LAKES IF SHE IS NOT THERE THEIR EFFORTS ARE GOING TO BE PRETTY HARD TO COLLATE THOSE AND HELP THE STATE MEET FEDERAL REGULATIONS.
THOSE VOLUNTEERS DO MORE THAN JUST LITTLE BUCKET BUCKETS IN THE WATER AND TEST IT.
THEY HAVE BEEN TRAINED TO KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR IN THE LIKES -- LAKES AND PONDS.
SO THEY HAVE BEEN ACTIVISTS IN THEIR COMMUNITY PRESSING FOR CLEANER WATER OR THINGS TO BE CLEANED UP OR FOR LAND PERHAPS WE BOUGHT TO PROTECT THOSE BUFFERS AND ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
IT'S MORE THAN JUST THE DATA THAT WILL BE CUT OUT.
IT'S THE DEVELOPMENT OF A STATEWIDE INTEREST GROUP SPECIFICALLY IN THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND PERHAPS THAT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH WHY THAT POFTION CHOSEN.
DO YOU GET THE SENSE PERHAPS THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME REACTION THAT WILL BUILD OVERTIME TO THESE CUTS?
THERE DEFINITELY BE REACTION.
I KNOW SEVERAL MEMBERS OF COMMITTEE WILL MAKE CLOSELY TO MAKE SURE SERVICES ARE NOT PROTECTED.
YOU CAN HAVE THE 16 PEOPLE LEAVE YOUR DEPARTMENT BUT THE SERVICES ARE GOING DOWN THERE'S TROUBLE.
SO THEY ARE GOING TO BE WATCHING VERY CLOSELY.
SEEMS -- IT SEEMS LIKE SUCH A STAING STRANGE NOTION, DOESN'T IT YOU CAN MAKE THE CUTS AND SERVICES WILL NOT BE EFFECTED.
I'M KIND OF CURIOUS, THE VOLUNTEERS, THE HELP MEET THE FEDERAL GUIDELINES, WHAT IF THE STATE DOESN'T MEET THEM?
WHAT HAPPENS THEN DO YOU HAVE TO HIRE SOMEONE?
SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO BE OUT THERE TESTING THE WATERS.
LITERALLY.
THEY HAVE VOLUNTEERS DOING THEM NOW.
YOU HAVE TO HIRE STAFF.
PROBABLY NOT.
PROBABLY THIS WAS BEYOND WHAT WAS ABSOLUTELY RECOGNIZED BY THE FEDERAL LEGISLATION AND LEFT THEM CONTAINED.
THESE PEOPLE ARE KEEPING DATE YEAH ON EYE ROUTINE BASIS MONTH TO MONTH THROUGH THE SUMMER.
ESSENTIALLY THEY SERVE AS AN EARLY WARNING SO THAT WHAT YOU HAVE POLLUTION OR ANOTHER ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM BEGINNING IN A LAKE IT CAN BE CAUGHT AND TREATED AND REMEDIATED MUCH EARLIER ON.
IT'S THE CAN A NAIRY IN THE MIND AND ON THE SERVICES IT JUST REALLY DEPENDS, YOU KNOW IF INSERT SOMETHING THAT SAYS THAT IF NO ONE OBJECTS TO PERMIT BEING ISSUED THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ISSUED AFTER A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DAYS THEN THE SERVICES -- IT BECOMES AN INTERESTING CUT.
WHAT HAPPENS NOW IS THE DS IS FALLING BEHIND IN RAPIDLY GROWING AREAS OF THE STATE.
WHETHER THEY'LL FALL FURTHER BEHIND AND THEN THEY'LL BE INSTITUTION OF A SENTENCE THAT SFEZ THERE'S NO OBJECTION AFTER 90 DAY S YOU MAY DEVELOP.
THESE THE HAZARD ON THESE THINGS.
I KNOW IN COOS COUNTY AND IN THE AREAS GROWING THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLAINT THAT DES A ALREADY BEHIND.
ONE BRIEF MENTION THE OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TAKEN UP THIS WEEK WHICH WAS TAKEN UP OFF THE EDUCATION ONE ALSO FAILED IT WAS A AN AMENDMENT THAT WOULD HAVE PUT TEN YEAR LIMITS ON JUDGE'S TERPS THAN GOT FAR FROM THEM IN A MAJORITY.
IT WENT DOWN QUICKLY.
ANOTHER ONE DEALING WITH THE COURTS SURPRISE SURPRISE.
THAT ONE WASN'T EVEN CLOSE.
THE ARGUMENT THERE IS KEEP POLITICS OUT OF IT.
YOU POINT SOMEONE TO LIFE FOR LIFE AND BY PUTTING ATE LIMIT ON IT YOU GET SOMEONE COMING IN FOR YEARS.
THEY GOT RID OF THAT ONE QUICK.
Richard: EDITH WHAT ARE YOU DOING PRIMARY NIGHT?
AT SOMEONE'S CAMPAIGN HEADQUARTERS UP IN THE NORTH COUNTRY TAKING A LOOK ABOUT.
Richard: COLIN DO YOU HAVE PLANS?
I'LL BE IN THE DOVER NEWS ROOM WATCHING THE RESULTS COME IN TRYING TO TACK TO BOTH SIDES REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATS TO FIND OUT HOW THEY FEEL IT WENT.
Richard: JAMES HOW ARE YOU PICK?
I'LL BE EVERYWHERE.
TRY TO.
I HAVE STAFF NOW HE WILL HELP ME OUT A LITTLE BIT.
I'LL BE ON TV A LOT.
Richard: WHAT ARE YOU DOING WEDNESDAY NIGHT AS YOU BEGIN TO RECOVER?
WE'LL BE HERE ON NEW HAMPSHIRE OUTLOOK DISCUSSING WHAT HAPPENED THE PREVIOUS NIGHT BEFORE.
YOU ARE LOOK AHEAD TO THE NEXT.
HOPEFULLY, YES.
I'LL MAKE THIS NOW THAT ON THE 28TH THE DAY AFTER THE PRIMARY --.
IN THE NEXT PRIMARY.
IT NEVER ENDS.
NEVER DOES.
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The day before the primary we'll have the final days of campaigning, a look at the process of choosing delegates along with candidates and highlights from the weekend's democratic "100 Club" dinner.
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Thanks for joining us.
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The day before the primary we'll have the final days of campaigning, including the weekend's democratic "100 Club" dinner.
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NEW HAMPSHIRE OUTLOOK Air Date/Time: 01/23/04 22:00
HOST: Richard Ager Length: 26:46 minutes
In this edition of New Hampshire Outlook, NHPTV's nightly news magazine, the countdown is on. The candidates arrived from the Iowa caucuses. The last debate before the Primary was on Thursday. The vote is next Tuesday. And the polls are coming in. Joining us this week Edith Tucker of the Coos County Democrat, Colin Manning of Foster's Daily Democrat , and James Pindell of PoliticsNH.com.
PRODUCER/REPORTER: Richard Ager, Jennifer Vachon NAME OF PARTICIPANTS: James Pindell\PoliticsNH.com, Edith Tucker\Coos County Democrat, Colin Manning\Foster's Daily Democrat
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